however, francis says for now the discipline of celibacy stands firm. he criticized church leaders who covered up the rehabilitation of children. he said it is a stupid idea adding you cannot be in a position of power and destroy the life of another person. i find this fascinating. >> also, mika, there was another story about how -- i think he floated the idea of the church supporting civil unions. >> yeah. >> as an attempt to find a pragmatic center between same-sex marriage and -- >> not that it's going to happen any time soon or ever in the catholic church. he is a human being. he is a man. with natural instincts and he doesn't separate himself from the rest of the world. this interview, to me, is so hopeful. >> katty, a couple of more years of this and you people are going to be sorry you broke away from the church. >> well, i can tell you that all of the british catholics are watching very intently what is happening in rome and they are as amazed as everybody else. this is a pope who is prepared to say that he, himself, has felt human urges towards